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max say he was going to jump in at all i

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don't know max doesn't know

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what he's doing

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i don't know if he's jumping in what do

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probably not i think he's probably still

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with his son at this time

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yeah yeah i think he another half an

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hour an hour normally about this time

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it's always weird when i see drinking

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wine because it's like

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early for me everyone's saying

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yeah i'm like oh i could have a glass

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oh it's now i can't yet yeah no it's my

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evening thing man couple of glasses of

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red and i'm

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happy yeah so tell me more about that

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alien that creeped in your room

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yesterday or are we

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live are we oh no

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oh no all right whoa i hope we're not

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live

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i'm witness citizen

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witness citizen

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i really should have did a proper

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introduction i'm sorry about that

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it was on purpose not funny okay i'm

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um yes i wanted to bring in

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someone who is very special to me again

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last time he came here i commented on

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this i'll do it again his blonde hair

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drives me crazy

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vinny from disclosure team how the hell

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are you

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you for having me

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yeah no problem what a surprise hey

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[Laughter]

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yeah how are you man are you good yeah

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good good good

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it's cold here today 30 degree drop from

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yesterday

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that's not weird but

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uh i'll take it over rain so yeah

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tell me about what you got going on

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tonight i hear it's so

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exciting yeah i'm literally 30 minutes

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out from interviewing rich hoffman

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uh on executive board member for the

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scientific coalition of uap studies you

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know

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but one of the uh the leading

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people companies coalitions whatever you

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want to call it you know they're

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covering this subject some of the

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the finest work i've read especially

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when it comes to the nimitz case

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and the 2013 aguadilla puerto rico

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case so great work wow awesome

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um do you already know what you're going

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to ask i got a few questions lined up i

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long as some of my previous interviews

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so okay yeah i've got some stuff lined

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i apologize now to anybody that goes and

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watches it and feels like

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we didn't get a lot out of him but you

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just don't know in this game man

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yeah i know well um we got some people

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hey steve how are you been a while

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don't like it but i'm glad you're back

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jd briscoe what's up man

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thanks for joining uh derek good to see

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you he's got a nice comment for you

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and his new space slab looks awesome but

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interview with rich and because he's a

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like a scientist i thought i'd get all

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like laboratory

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i try and do something for every guest

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like hint of what they do so that's

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pretty cool i like that

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and it looks so good it's all think you

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it looks good yeah cool thank you um

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oh rusty thanks for coming man

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um happy you're here

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and we have witness citizen oh thanks

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for coming today witness

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hi what up uap uk hey josh good to see

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and rusty we got you busted

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the new project that you and max have

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putting it together with max but like

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that connection to the to the us and

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you've just been graciously

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the one to take it on board and fill

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that gap that we need so thank you my

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keep that kind of language out of here

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oh come on i'm just here at my desk with

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a camera i'm not doing anything man

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just hanging out with good people yeah

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um is this collaboration work yeah well

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um you know for what we're doing

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we're getting better at it you know

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we're getting a bigger audience

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yeah um and it's all by good intentions

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and you know pure people yeah totally

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i don't like to say i am other people

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can you know judge that for themselves

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you and max are are awesome and um

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i think just being that is going to take

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it's funny you say that because i've

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i don't know what a month ago something

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like that and i have people messaging me

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now going i really want to do what

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you're doing i really want to

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launch a channel or a page you know

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contact people arranged interviews and

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jumping at the deep end i had

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no idea other than just

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go for it just go for it that's it and

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to anyone to say

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all i can say is be yourself

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then pretend and yeah oh there's one

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ah the wine huh

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yeah that'll loosen yet dutch courage

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what so what time is oh wait we we got

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um jesse peak yes we will see

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and here we go derek

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yeah man that's why you know that's why

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i was thinking about just doing it live

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but having like specials like three for

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five and just kind of mirror

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i thought um and he actually he called

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me today

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and i missed it so i called him back

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right away i'm like he's calling me what

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sean you know what i didn't mean to i'm

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like you butt dialed me

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butt but it was by accident

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and they said hey now that i got you i

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i really like your style i think you

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are doing great at this um

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you know all that kind of stuff and i

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really hope you stay in it

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and all that so that was really a happy

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you've got them in your back pocket and

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you're wrapped around your little finger

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you know because i could tell i could

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tell where he's like

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maybe you know this kid doesn't know

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i just tell do you run the show man

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you got all the info you're great

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storyteller you're doing an amazing job

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doing this breakdown

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i am not interrupting no that's the best

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noticed a comment in the comments there

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from uh

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good friend strafe wilson

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good yeah there you go i mean that

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summed it up and that's what i try and

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yeah you know yeah because it's true

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who i don't i'm just here to ask

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questions i don't want to jump in too

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and all that kind of thing i mean i do

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on the odd occasion but

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a 20-minute answer and then you get like

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a 20-second answer you're like oh yeah

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sugar like oh man give me more i'm not

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uh what's vinnie vapin i'm just vaping

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boring

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vape juice no no no nothing funky no um

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cbd or thc or anything

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jd doctor's got sweet

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i'm super excited for tomorrow too

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that's the big day

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yeah i have two amazing guests tomorrow

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nick pope and lou elizondo nick pope is

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of uh my interview last night

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dude that's gonna be different people

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you know so it'll be interesting

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i can't wait yeah it's gonna be super

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fun

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so what time are they gonna be at um

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nick pope will be at

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um 1 central yep and elizondo

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is right after that at 2 central what

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time is it there now where you are

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today um one okay cool so that gives me

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an idea of when i

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i think i've got a night off tomorrow

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here so i can fully

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yeah it'll be interesting um

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yeah this i i don't know um

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how it can get much better

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than this week you know this is a great

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week

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super happy um

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i'm happy oh yeah oh yeah just hope it

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keeps

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um rolling you know because

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i've had a lot of people on the show

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like yourself and other people

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that have a lot of great things to say

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um

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but they're not as well known so i hope

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that with these interviews some people

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will cling on so when i

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bring them in again you know there'll be

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more

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eyes and ears on them because i think

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they should be you know like graham or

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jazz or

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or max or mises myself you know

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um so i hope um that that kind of allows

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more people to get in play you know with

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more eyes on it

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i hope some stay you know absolutely and

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not just for the episode

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and they come back yeah oh yeah of

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course

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and they were yeah

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i'm excited for you man i'm excited big

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time

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for now for this week but even for like

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a year two years down the line

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it's going to be great man alexander

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that question has to be asked be the

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first to ask

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um well it depends what you're talking

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about

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uh elizondo is addressed at before

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so um ask

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nick about the kell yeah

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the calvin incident man do you know

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about that no

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yes send me some stuff or tell me about

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it but it's basically it's a

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photograph apparently that exists of

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a ufo taken in scotland i can't remember

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when

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in the last 20 years or something if i'm

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right

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um it's meant to be like the the smoking

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gun kind of photograph that you'd all

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want to see

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um and i think maybe it's older actually

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but i know that they've re stuck it

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under another 50 year of secrecy or

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something like that

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i think it was due to come out in 2022

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and now it's something like 2072.

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yeah 1990. i think i was right that it's

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an extra 50 years has just been added on

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six photos there we go what can we do

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without these boys in the chat

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thank you guys but it really is meant to

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be

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incredible wow so i think nick will know

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a bit about that okay yeah i'll it you

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know it's like

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i hope i remember so yeah i mean i wrote

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it down so

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no dude there's not a lot of information

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out there on it exactly like there is

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the year and

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okay photos but i don't think there's

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much information he was in a mod then

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wasn't he here

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yeah he was mod early 90s and there's a

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lot of controversy around him there's

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people saying that he was just a desk

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a desk worker and he's kind of

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embellishing on

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on what his position was but i don't

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know about that man

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i i generally don't know right that's a

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thing

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like if you can't really know it's kind

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of

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irresponsible to throw out the egg your

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accusation to begin with

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isn't it yeah if you don't really know i

389
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mean

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hardcore circumstantial is i would say

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that's up to you

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go ahead yeah um but if there's no proof

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or anything

394
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and you're just kind of killing

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someone's character

396
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yeah i mean nick's a nice bloke

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you know i've never met him but he's

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seen i mean he seems uh

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you know innocent enough nice enough

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that's what i mean just from seeing i've

401
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never met him but

402
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seeing all his interviews i don't think

403
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he's purposely pushing any agendas

404
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yeah yeah he's got his opinions he never

405
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seems to go too far down the rabbit

406
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hole he just talks about the subject on

407
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a lot of places and has done for a lot

408
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of years and

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i don't see an issue with that yeah

410
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i'll get a oh yeah it's got here

411
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putting together a panel for erica's

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showing you were both invited

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yeah all right thank you scott i

414
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actually had someone contact me a couple

415
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of days ago about

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joining erica for a show and i just said

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yeah i'll do that

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so scott awesome let me know bro that'd

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be cool and scott

420
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mr scott brown i'd love to speak to you

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sometime over on my channel so

422
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i will uh i will get in touch yeah it'd

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be great to see

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i'd love to speak to scott super cool to

425
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see what are you scared for greg

426
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comment he always starts the show with

427
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dude or subscribe like share

428
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he doesn't put an exclamation point just

429
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all in caps

430
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so he's shouting yeah um subscribe

431
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and today it just says i'm scared what's

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the deal talk to us greg come on man

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everything's gonna be fine man

434
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scott says anytime vinny there you go

435
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there you go man i will get in touch

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i'll twitter dmu

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next couple of days oh this one you mean

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okay

439
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gotcha this story ended up in the sun

440
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you guys clark seen david clarke is

441
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actually he lives in the same city i do

442
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so i've interesting i keep considering

443
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contacting him but i know he's got he's

444
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got a bit of controversy surrounding him

445
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i'm pretty sure he was the guy that

446
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first put out the sas

447
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claim for the rendelsham incident where

448
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it was just a complete sas

449
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hoax against the military which was

450
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pretty damn controversial yeah i would

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say

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especially with the witness testimony

453
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you know

454
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yeah i thought about contacting him but

455
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then i'd be like god why do i ask him do

456
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i just want to like

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embarrass him or put some really tough

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questions to him so i don't know if i'm

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ready for that

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she just asked the questions that you

461
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would ask and i guess in the normal way

462
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yeah the audience will decide what to

463
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take from that

464
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the answers you know you don't have to

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go

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see see you said over there and then you

467
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sit over there

468
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so no you're right man and this is the

469
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thing you know just

470
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yeah yeah but i think

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you know at some point we have to

472
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um do not be

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shy away from interviewing people that

474
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you may not necessarily agree with and

475
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yeah be able to have a conversation

476
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i mean that makes sense because the last

477
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couple of days all i've been thinking

478
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about is how do i get to speak to greer

479
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oh wow because i really would love to

480
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yeah because i'd have just as or i was

481
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gonna say just as many nice things to

482
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say to him but

483
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maybe not but he certainly you know i

484
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think a lot of us

485
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think that he used to do a lot of good

486
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work back in the day

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and maybe not so much now but you know i

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wouldn't get him on if i ever had the

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opportunity

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yeah i would have some tough questions

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but oh yeah i would hope so it's just

492
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been in my mind for the last couple of

493
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days after watching that documentary did

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you watch it

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oh i should did you know did you see the

496
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video where uh

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the guy is saying that it wasn't a hoax

498
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and he got his words twisted

499
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and the guy like set him up or whatever

500
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for the travis walton thing

501
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yeah i've seen all of that today to be

502
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honest i kind of knew that would be the

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case

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yeah crazy horrible

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that somebody would do it and that was

506
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was that in greer's documentary

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um because i haven't seen the whole

508
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thing no i don't think it was

509
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i know it's been all over twitter the

510
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last couple of days

511
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but yeah that's pretty bit pretty much

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been sorted out i think i hope anyway

513
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yeah some youtuber doing it for hits and

514
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clicks and stuff yeah probably

515
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sorry it's kind of pathetic yeah yeah

516
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would love to see that it's the first

517
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thing scary

518
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yes to do with this new movie remake

519
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that's coming out um and

520
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the guy that well thing is it is it a

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fire in the sky remake

522
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yeah i think it is i think the guy that

523
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told the story was made to look like

524
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he was now saying it was a hoax but what

525
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it turned out to be was that

526
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the youtuber that interviewed him edited

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it

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to make him look like he was yeah saying

529
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the story was a hoax so it wasn't

530
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actually the guy

531
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mike davis i think it might have been a

532
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little video all i can tell you is i did

533
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talk to the guy but i didn't say those

534
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things there you go

535
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in fact he was asking me about um

536
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uh hoaxes and i said i said well

537
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he said did you and travis ever talk

538
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about a hoax

539
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i said well yeah like after the incident

540
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i mean the skeptics like phil class and

541
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oberg uh i can't remember who else

542
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:22,960
were saying that the whole thing was a

543
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hoax and so yeah

544
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see we didn't work together in

545
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76 uh you know after the answer

546
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uh but the following year 77 we did

547
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and and uh during that year during the

548
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summer of that year

549
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uh we talked about what the skeptics

550
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were saying you know it was all a hoax

551
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you know

552
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and uh so i was telling ryan gordon that

553
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and uh so whatever he has

554
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laid out there is just not what i said

555
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you know i call that digital

556
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manipulation because anything can be

557
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manipulated digitally

558
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um hey

559
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oh here we go

560
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you just pitched because travis made so

561
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much money you needed somebody thinking

562
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yeah

563
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i think what we need to work out or

564
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realize is that

565
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,880
at the end of the day again maybe this

566
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:34,559
is my opinion but the travis case is

567
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:34,880
still

568
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:38,320
definitely you know

569
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,640
i mean the first that was the first um

570
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:45,760
movie i saw as far as

571
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:49,120
you know abductions or serious sighted

572
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,159
scary

573
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:53,280
alien stuff and my dad rented it from uh

574
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,080
blockbuster

575
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,360
when that still existed oh yeah and

576
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,440
brought it i remember watching it with

577
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:00,559
them and

578
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,679
it it freaked me out

579
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,240
man especially when he was in the like

580
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:07,679
uh

581
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:11,360
the slime sex i re-watched it a couple

582
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,320
of months ago

583
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:14,559
just to just to refresh my mind about it

584
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,360
and that is

585
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,640
i mean i think it's a great movie yes

586
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,320
we're you know travis has come out and

587
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,080
said many times that it's not 100

588
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,760
accurate which is fine and you know we

589
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,919
know what hollywood's like

590
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,240
so yeah right that's true and then i

591
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,679
remember the sheriff

592
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,280
he would walk around with his hands in

593
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:33,440
his pants

594
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,070
yeah it's like all right sir

595
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,520
that's kind of weird that you got your

596
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,520
hands in your buckle i'm gonna have to

597
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,360
jump off i'm afraid

598
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,360
i've got nine no i got i got nine

599
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,440
minutes man i gotta go and get that [\h__\h]

600
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,720
last minute maybe listen

601
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,919
are we gonna be chatting later because

602
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,520
we've been in both been invited to jump

603
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,880
on with our good friend mr max

604
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,640
muskerwich like oh

605
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,080
yes i'm going to be there so yeah

606
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,919
um i think he's got another pilot

607
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,600
doesn't he or something

608
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,159
yes yeah and this is relating to the

609
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,320
what kind of related to the

610
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,440
stuff we were talking about the other

611
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,039
night with the dutch pilots this is one

612
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:18,799
that couldn't make it that night

613
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,000
right so um yeah so listen

614
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,679
enjoy your chat with your mufon

615
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,360
investigator i'm sorry that we're doing

616
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:27,279
it at the same time we're gonna start

617
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,720
talking behind the scenes so that we

618
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,320
don't overlap mm-hmm

619
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,520
so i think yeah

620
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,679
so um cool thank you for having me on

621
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,960
man and i'll speak to you later and

622
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,480
everyone in the chat

623
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,120
thank you love you all yeah catch us on

624
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:43,760
uh max muscle which is uh channel later

625
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:47,520
see you in a bit peace

626
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:50,720
all right that was

627
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:54,159
pretty fun yeah vinnie's a great guy

628
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,679
i'm so lucky to have met him

629
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,320
and um you know talk to them a lot and

630
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,320
be on each other's shelves and stuff

631
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:05,360
so looking forward

632
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:08,880
to um expanding that relationship along

633
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,710
is they do a lot of european cases so

634
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:15,679
that works for me

635
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,120
i want to learn about that um so yeah

636
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:22,159
looking forward to that and in a second

637
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:22,559
here

638
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,919
we are going to have at jesse peak move

639
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,240
on field investigator

640
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,799
um yeah and i'm looking forward to that

641
00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:32,400
so

642
00:26:25,269 --> 00:25:54,830
[Music]

643
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,279
with all due respect to the air force i

644
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,960
believe that some of them proved to be

645
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,279
of interplanetary origin during a

646
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,520
three-year investigation i found that

647
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,600
many police have described objects of

648
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,640
substance

649
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,039
and high speed one case polish reported

650
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,960
their plane was buffeted by an object

651
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,440
with question of 500 miles an hour

652
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:43,440
obviously this was a solid object that i

653
00:27:13,430 --> 00:26:53,760
believe was from outer space

654
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:16,710
cool video um

655
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,840
yeah so thanks for joining us today

656
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,880
we're just waiting

657
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,440
on our friend the move on field

658
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:24,799
investigator

659
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,520
um to come on and we'll talk with him

660
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,640
in the meantime i'll let you know

661
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,320
the rest of the schedule that i have

662
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:35,760
this week

663
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,960
tomorrow i have um nick pope

664
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:41,360
and then uh after that i have louis

665
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,080
elizondo

666
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,440
and on friday i have david marlar so

667
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:48,960
um yeah it just keeps on

668
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:52,159
going well so i'm looking forward to

669
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,039
that please

670
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,919
join me if you uh do have a question or

671
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:57,760
something that you want to ask

672
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,360
send me that question via email at s

673
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,039
r a a s c h

674
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,480
witness citizen dot com

675
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,520
so yeah so without further ado

676
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,640
i am going to bring in

677
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:17,279
uh jesse peak how are you sir hey how

678
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,399
you doing today sean

679
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,399
oh pretty good yeah thanks for joining

680
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:22,399
us yeah not a problem at all happy to be

681
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:22,960
here

682
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:26,960
yeah um i wanted to ask you

683
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,799
a little bit about move funds so um

684
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,720
and you just started with them as a

685
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,080
field investigator like

686
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,559
a few months ago was it or yeah january

687
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,399
i finally graduated got all my

688
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,760
work done all my classes and

689
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,840
certifications finally

690
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,640
but i've been a member since 2019. 2019

691
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,360
okay

692
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,919
how roughly how long does that take like

693
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,919
the classes and everything

694
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:52,240
well you first you gotta buy the big

695
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:59,990
okay and uh that'll cost you about 130

696
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,559
dollars

697
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,880
and that comes with the test and all the

698
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,480
certifications

699
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,120
uh mufon has an online university just

700
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,399
like if you went to school at any

701
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,760
college

702
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,080
and they offer astronomy classes space

703
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:13,600
exploration classes

704
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,200
um case disposition to investigations

705
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,360
um and they have a bunch of other stuff

706
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,799
on there as well but you got to take

707
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:22,240
astronomy 101

708
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,080
201 space exploration 101

709
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,120
you have to pass a 100 question exam

710
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,600
which you have to get a 80 or higher on

711
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,279
um and then you got to take three one

712
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:35,919
hour classes with the chief investigator

713
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,799
okay so it's pretty extensive yeah yeah

714
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:40,159
it seems like it

715
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,000
um are you getting a lot of cases

716
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,799
yeah actually uh i this is one of the

717
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,480
reasons i became a field investigator

718
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,240
because i did notice every month that

719
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,520
pennsylvania

720
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,200
is always usually in the top five of

721
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,520
sightings every month

722
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,159
and that's my state and um and if you

723
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,600
actually look all the time i believe

724
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,919
pennsylvania's fourth

725
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,000
so um it's pretty much like it's there's

726
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,760
i get a bunch of cases now that i'm here

727
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:07,760
and investigating and i don't i only i

728
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,000
don't

729
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,320
only do cases through mufon i do private

730
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,159
investigations as well

731
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:15,200
um on my podcast and through my website

732
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,000
so

733
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,720
cool yeah what's the latest one you've

734
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,000
worked on

735
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,120
um well the one i did privately uh

736
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,600
my buddy michael he uh seen my website

737
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,360
and everything he contacted me

738
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:30,640
um it has a whole bunch i would say

739
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:34,840
it involves time stop uh time works

740
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,240
um uh you've seen the way you've seen

741
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,919
the craft it was as if it was

742
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,320
transforming right before his eyes

743
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,159
um it started out with him driving down

744
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,840
the road um

745
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,360
he had seen a bright light off to his

746
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,039
left and this is a road that he normally

747
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,799
drove down all the time

748
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,559
and there was always traffic on it but

749
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,919
when he was driving down and seeing this

750
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,240
light there was no traffic whatsoever

751
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,240
um and that was really odd to him and

752
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,919
he's seeing this slightly pulls over by

753
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,519
a schoolhouse where his daughter had

754
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,039
usually went to school

755
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,600
um and there's a farm there with slates

756
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,919
in the fence about seven feet high

757
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,200
and he couldn't see through the other

758
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,640
side where the light was beaming down

759
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:11,919
but when he stepped out of his

760
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,600
truck he felt electricity in the air

761
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,200
and then all of a sudden the slates kind

762
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:18,880
of disappeared and he could see beyond

763
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,600
the fence

764
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,279
where the light was beaming down in the

765
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,080
pasture onto a couple animals

766
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,960
and then once he went to this yeah so

767
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,960
once he stepped forward

768
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:31,600
the beam went up and started changing

769
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,159
direction

770
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,679
and started moving back down the road

771
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,360
and meantime no one nobody came down the

772
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,320
road

773
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,720
so he believes that he was time either

774
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,320
stopped or he was

775
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:42,000
something something with time had to be

776
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,360
done there we're looking more into it

777
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,039
now but he followed this

778
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,720
craft down the road and when it turned

779
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,840
off to veer off to where he couldn't

780
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,440
follow it anymore

781
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,320
it changed from a cigar shaped craft

782
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,320
into a saucer sheet

783
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,799
where this is yeah very weird so there's

784
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,720
a lot of different aspects to his case

785
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:00,320
and a lot of details

786
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,760
was there was it always just one craft

787
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,480
yep always one graphic yep couldn't hear

788
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,200
nothing

789
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,559
except for the crickets he could hear

790
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,480
crickets which is why

791
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,919
ah usually you don't hear anything at

792
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,600
all you know what i mean but it was like

793
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,720
they were they

794
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:17,519
showed him what they wanted him to see

795
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,240
well you know

796
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,080
and that was only one of two encounters

797
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,559
he had later that was 89

798
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,799
and then in 96 he had another encounter

799
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,919
while he was on the back row with

800
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,640
friends

801
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,799
same kind of situation he seen a craft

802
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,080
the beam came down

803
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,840
it was like it came back to say hello to

804
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:33,279
him you know what i mean it was really

805
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:33,919
odd

806
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,200
wow so it was that what long ago

807
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,000
yeah and that was the thing too um he's

808
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,519
60 something years old

809
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,880
and this is the first time he's ever

810
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,559
come out and told anybody about us

811
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,399
about what happened because he felt like

812
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,559
he'd be looked at as a crazy person

813
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,399
but ever since the pentagon came out and

814
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,399
confirmed the ufos are real

815
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,559
and all the releases and the ufo report

816
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:56,399
that came out he feels more comfortable

817
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:56,799
now

818
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,320
so yeah wow that's good i'm

819
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:02,000
glad he's able to get it off his chest

820
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,519
down with you know makes you wonder how

821
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,519
many more people there are like that

822
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,360
yeah i know and that's that's one of the

823
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,799
reasons i got into this because i want

824
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,559
to help people you know and i mean i've

825
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,240
had experiences myself citing

826
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,399
myself and i know that there's people

827
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,519
out there that hold it in

828
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,039
and when you hold that kind of stuff in

829
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,559
it ain't healthy first of all

830
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,799
yeah and it's easier when you you can

831
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:22,399
you know link up with somebody and get

832
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,279
it off your chest

833
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,760
and um totally really get your feelings

834
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,880
out you know what i mean and

835
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,000
he's he's 10 times happier since he

836
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,480
came on the podcast and talked about it

837
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,159
and you don't know how many people i get

838
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,880
contacting me saying that he helped them

839
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:38,559
you know what i mean and now they're

840
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,279
going to

841
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,840
go forward and try to tell their cases

842
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,640
now so

843
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,360
that's amazing it is the whole process

844
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:47,200
is amazing and that's why i like doing

845
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:47,760
this

846
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,279
yeah um how many cases are you due

847
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:53,679
full-time or part-time yeah i do this

848
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,320
full-time

849
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:57,039
so right now i have the opportunity to

850
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:58,080
do it for another year

851
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,279
full-time and then i'm probably gonna go

852
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,679
to school but um right now yeah

853
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,240
i'm working on two or three cases right

854
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,360
now that i'm working on

855
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:08,639
pretty cool cases um and taking us

856
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,359
through

857
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,000
the different things that you have to do

858
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,320
in a general case

859
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,000
yeah well the first thing is um it's

860
00:34:18,910 --> 00:34:18,480
either classified as a ce one two or a

861
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,920
three

862
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,480
[Music]

863
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,599
one being just a sighting the second one

864
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,119
being a sighting with evidence and the

865
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:27,679
third one being

866
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,320
seeing et with a craft and so on

867
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,079
i've been getting a lot of ce ones but

868
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,079
they're borderline ce2s

869
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,320
um and the first thing you're going to

870
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,639
do is if it's a ce1 you have to contact

871
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,040
the witness within 72 hours

872
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,440
uh ce2s you have to do it within 48 and

873
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,839
ce3 is 24 hours

874
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,679
you can do this via email or over the

875
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,280
phone you have to do an interview with

876
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,560
them and get all the information you

877
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,119
possibly can because every bit does help

878
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,200
um i even go back a second time and

879
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,960
contact the witness later on a couple

880
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,240
weeks later and

881
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,920
ask them to give me a refresher just

882
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,280
because they'll sometimes they don't

883
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,560
remember things

884
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,599
and they'll come out with more things

885
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,760
later on down the road and

886
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,359
you have no idea the difference that it

887
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,119
means you know so

888
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,720
once you get that done you do the

889
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,240
interview um

890
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,839
then you can start going through mufin

891
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:17,359
gives you a whole bunch of tools that

892
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,320
you can work with

893
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,960
um looking at the planets astronomy uh

894
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,119
we got flight radar 24 we can go back

895
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,800
and track aircraft

896
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,880
so there's a bunch of really cool

897
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:28,480
opportunities with us

898
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,839
great so what happens with the case

899
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:32,480
after

900
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,000
investigated

901
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:38,880
um i give it this position to the case

902
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,200
um

903
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:41,119
after it gets looked over by my state

904
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,240
director

905
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,880
each state has is chopped up into

906
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,599
sections

907
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,680
so there is an overall state director of

908
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,800
that whole state

909
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,560
and then each section has his section

910
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:52,000
director

911
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,320
gets the okay

912
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,800
and then um it goes into the cms which

913
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,119
is our case management system

914
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:03,520
um and that holds all of our cases and

915
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,160
and

916
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,640
it saves the data so we can start giving

917
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,320
answers to what's going on and

918
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,040
comparing things so we can see a pattern

919
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,480
or however they work

920
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,040
sure uh and they've been doing it for

921
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:16,880
what was it 50 years

922
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,119
16 uh 1969 wow

923
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,240
have they found anything by now

924
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,640
i mean mufon i didn't know this when i

925
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,640
when i first became a field investigator

926
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,760
but we actually have

927
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,640
a laboratories with scientists um we

928
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,000
have dive mast uh

929
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,599
dive dive teams um and it's

930
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,280
they've found they've got they have

931
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,720
little um

932
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,760
evidence they say um different rocks and

933
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,680
metamaterials and stuff like that i've

934
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,720
heard about

935
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,400
um we have our own hanger i don't know

936
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,839
if you've ever seen hanger i think it

937
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,040
was hanger one on

938
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:53,280
uh history channel and that was a mufon

939
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,160
show

940
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,400
um that has that's an actual real hanger

941
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,000
um it's not hanger one i believe it's

942
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:59,599
like hanger three or something like that

943
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,320
but

944
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,440
it's full of cases and evidence and

945
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:06,320
you know the cms is what it does is it

946
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,119
you know it

947
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,160
it gives you a look at each cases so

948
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,760
when something does happen in this case

949
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,359
oh well then we can look at this too you

950
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,480
know what i mean it's to be able to

951
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,839
compare everything

952
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,000
and find a pattern and that's what that

953
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,000
does okay

954
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,599
let me ask you this when you find a

955
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,079
pattern what would you do

956
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:27,040
well well see what i do with every case

957
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
um

958
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:29,520
i always go back and we can go into the

959
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,320
database and search between those dates

960
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:34,079
to see if any other patterns come up

961
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,599
with anybody saying they've seen the

962
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:37,119
same thing on a different day or the

963
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,520
same

964
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,000
night and then we can link up those

965
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:41,599
people you know and i mean see if they

966
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,000
see

967
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,160
saw the same thing and then go from

968
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,839
there um

969
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,520
if it becomes a case where i need

970
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,440
evidence and need to send it to the lab

971
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,119
my state session director will come out

972
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,440
we'll bag all the evidence up

973
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,079
and there's protocols for that too um

974
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,599
and we send it off to the lab we try to

975
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:59,119
get as many answers as we can for the

976
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,160
witness

977
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,040
um i personally investigated until i

978
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,119
cannot investigate it no more

979
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,720
i mean i've had her story certain people

980
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,800
don't fully investigate like they should

981
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,640
but that just goes based on the person

982
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,240
that's investigating your case

983
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,599
yeah and they're people no matter what

984
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,480
profession or whatever generally the

985
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,640
same there's bad ones and good ones and

986
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,839
yeah

987
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,599
and it really comes down to if you truly

988
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,000
care right exactly if you truly care

989
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,750
well that's cool tell me about is there

990
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,800
anything that

991
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,880
you particularly want to talk about

992
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,640
otherwise i would just ask about your

993
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,560
wildest case

994
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,440
yeah um i got really big into that uh

995
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,280
the ufo report i know there's a big

996
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,480
debate

997
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:47,520
over um it being a bunch of bs and

998
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,480
nothing new and but what i ate with move

999
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,150
they did say that but i have a i have my

1000
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,079
own theory to it i mean

1001
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,760
you got to look at everybody that hasn't

1002
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,440
been in the field and just a regular

1003
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,280
person that doesn't research this stuff

1004
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,720
and doesn't do this every day for a

1005
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,680
living

1006
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,920
yeah and what this report did was give

1007
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,520
confirmation

1008
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,920
to these people that ufos are real and

1009
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,280
that our work

1010
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,680
needs to seriously be looked at the work

1011
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,839
that mufon does and other researchers

1012
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,839
and investigators do every day

1013
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,440
we're not just doing this for the fun of

1014
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,440
it there is really something going on a

1015
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,800
phenomenon here that needs to be

1016
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:26,000
investigated

1017
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,839
right so and that tells the everyday

1018
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:29,280
person i don't know how many people that

1019
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,760
i know

1020
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,119
friends and family that have come over

1021
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,200
recently have seen that

1022
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,119
and i've showed them evidence and i

1023
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:36,880
guess you would say it's waking someone

1024
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,280
up

1025
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,040
and i've done that

1026
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,720
a couple times already just this past

1027
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:44,800
month uh because of the report coming

1028
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,359
out

1029
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,960
um it's getting people's attention it's

1030
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,640
getting the media's attention

1031
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,880
more shows are coming out um you're

1032
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,119
gonna get hearing soon because of andre

1033
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,920
carson the um democratic representative

1034
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:57,359
um the chair house intelligence

1035
00:40:04,309 --> 00:39:58,240
committee

1036
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,319
a public hearing done about the ufo

1037
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,880
report right um and more hearings done

1038
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,720
and they're coming out of the woodwork

1039
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,720
left and right people now supporting the

1040
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,000
ufo field

1041
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,800
right uh you got the deputy uh deputy

1042
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,359
secretary of defense kathleen hicks

1043
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,440
um she now put a mandate that all

1044
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,520
military personnel have to report their

1045
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:24,000
ufo or uap sightings within a two-week

1046
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,280
occurrence

1047
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:28,160
um you got uh representing that's too

1048
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:28,960
long

1049
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,640
better than nothing sure

1050
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,319
that's what i'm saying like like

1051
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:36,880
something uh on their person in the jet

1052
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,760
like when they land they could you know

1053
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,640
type in their

1054
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,520
testimony did sign it and it goes where

1055
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,800
it should go

1056
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,800
they have a box on every jet that they

1057
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,240
have to hand over

1058
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,160
i mean that records everything every

1059
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,079
plane that is in the sky in the military

1060
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,520
owns is being recorded um so

1061
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,040
yeah they get the radar and they get the

1062
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,880
box off the plane and that usually goes

1063
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,280
but

1064
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,920
those disappear because it's the

1065
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:03,440
cover-up

1066
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,200
yeah um but yeah i mean i just find it

1067
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,720
fascinating how many people are now

1068
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,640
coming out of the woodwork supporting

1069
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,000
what we're doing

1070
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,839
you got representative representative

1071
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,359
adam schiff coming out and talking about

1072
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,440
the phenomenon is not a rare occurrence

1073
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,839
i mean you got uh the nasa chief

1074
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,960
administrator

1075
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,800
talking about personally he does not

1076
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,200
think that we're alone in the universe

1077
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,280
and he got his scientists coming out

1078
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,040
talking about that the government needs

1079
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,359
to release the classified documents

1080
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,839
for this for nasa to do an official

1081
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:35,520
scientific study on this i didn't know

1082
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:35,839
that

1083
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,359
what was it uh

1084
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,200
i don't know so now they're even

1085
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,800
complaining about yes they're

1086
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,079
complaining about it now

1087
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,480
and that's that's they're a part of the

1088
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:47,680
government in a way and they have

1089
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,319
covered stuff

1090
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:50,000
up but their scientists are getting sick

1091
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,599
of it now you know

1092
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,680
you want to you say you're serious about

1093
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,599
this but if you were really serious you

1094
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,040
would give us that data

1095
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,079
and put a scientific investigation into

1096
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,599
it yes why are they so

1097
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:04,240
crazy with this stuff yeah man and now

1098
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,200
japan

1099
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,720
has come out with a thing too they're

1100
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,640
going to respond to ufos appropriately

1101
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,240
too they have a whole bill now

1102
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,920
of how they're going to report them and

1103
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,880
what they're how they're going to

1104
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:14,079
investigate them

1105
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,599
and this only happened because of the

1106
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:17,280
report that came out so

1107
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,800
so many things have been done because of

1108
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,640
this report and i i understand people

1109
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,079
say we know the

1110
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,160
it's the same old information it's the

1111
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,359
same old stuff but

1112
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,520
it's not though yeah it's making things

1113
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,599
that have never even happened

1114
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,839
in i never thought my lifetime i didn't

1115
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,440
think this would happen i thought i

1116
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,560
would just be investigating the

1117
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,920
government's never gonna

1118
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,920
do this you know but yeah it's starting

1119
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,079
to happen and once

1120
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:45,520
the last uh report from our government

1121
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:46,560
that

1122
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:49,520
was set at anything even close to we

1123
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,800
positively identified one out of 144

1124
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,280
that was ridiculous that's never

1125
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,560
happened

1126
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,470
another 25 birds then we got a lot of

1127
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,520
balloons

1128
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,720
and these three percent are unidentified

1129
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:08,480
but if we just have more

1130
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:12,319
better information it'd be a bird too

1131
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,920
right you know yeah

1132
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,920
this one is is like that's what you want

1133
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,040
to hear you know

1134
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,800
just be honest they're unidentified

1135
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,400
you're not saying what it is it's just

1136
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,520
unidentified

1137
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,520
yep although you know a lot of people

1138
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:27,119
think uh they do

1139
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,800
know what it is right so um

1140
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,599
we have some questions actually here uh

1141
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:34,400
do you mind

1142
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,240
yeah go ahead okay um derek asks is your

1143
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,440
time and effort all

1144
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,680
voluntary or do they reimburse you for

1145
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,960
things like fuel

1146
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:46,000
absolutely voluntary okay so everything

1147
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,599
i do i do not get paid for

1148
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,640
mufon is a non-profit organization um

1149
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,960
everybody is a volunteer the only people

1150
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,480
that get paid are the people that work

1151
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,280
at the

1152
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,160
actual location the mufon headquarters

1153
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,240
um that send the packages out that run

1154
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,599
the store that run

1155
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
memberships and all that there's two

1156
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:05,359
people that get paid out of all move on

1157
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,599
so i think people used to get paid there

1158
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:12,560
as a as a field investigator i don't

1159
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,960
know

1160
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,560
remember his name but i was listening to

1161
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,359
him talk on maybe it was coast to coast

1162
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,839
but it was a while ago yeah maybe i'm

1163
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:20,720
not sure

1164
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,079
yeah but yeah it's you how are you

1165
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,680
supposed to you're not getting paid

1166
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,400
you know the coupons not you know

1167
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,000
running commercials or

1168
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,040
advertising and make monetizing

1169
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,800
things you know so well that's what i

1170
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,079
find fascinating about

1171
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,240
mufon is the fact that everybody is a

1172
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,800
volunteer so you know no one's

1173
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,640
getting paid behind the scenes just to

1174
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,839
say this or do that

1175
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,680
you know what i mean and i know a lot of

1176
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,680
people have mixed feelings about mufon

1177
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,119
um i've heard people say you know they

1178
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,280
don't like buffon mufan has done some

1179
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,960
things that we're not fully on board

1180
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,920
with

1181
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:56,000
um and i believe some things have

1182
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:56,960
happened yes

1183
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,400
and now that our new director has taken

1184
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:01,680
over within the last year

1185
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:04,960
dave mcdonald he's made a lot of changes

1186
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:08,880
everybody knows the jan horizon story um

1187
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,720
and mcdonald has created new teams

1188
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,079
within mufon

1189
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,920
we now have the ert team which is the

1190
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,400
experience resource team and they deal

1191
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,599
with everybody that within

1192
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,720
abductions um experiences and kathleen

1193
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,240
martin runs that program

1194
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:27,040
who is denise and betty and barney hill

1195
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,920
um

1196
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,839
and they also got the dive team up and

1197
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:31,520
going more because there was only one

1198
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,079
person

1199
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,119
the state director of um colorado or

1200
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,520
missouri was the only dive person we had

1201
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,359
now we got like a whole team

1202
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:41,920
and we've got two locations now for our

1203
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,640
headquarters

1204
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,359
new one in ohio and we have the original

1205
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,520
one in california now so we're more

1206
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,119
we're trying to spread more and trying

1207
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,920
to make more tools for our investigators

1208
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,760
to have to be able to investigate

1209
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,520
everybody's sightings to the fullest

1210
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,960
yeah so

1211
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,720
do you have any tools that you bring

1212
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,599
like a

1213
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,880
electromagnetic detector or anything

1214
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,760
like that

1215
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,319
yeah i got a couple um i always got

1216
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,920
number one thing i always have is my uh

1217
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,839
binoculars that has a built-in camera

1218
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,800
attached to it

1219
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:13,359
oh yeah you can zoom in and then it's

1220
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,000
clear as well

1221
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,160
it's clear as day anything you look at

1222
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,599
is if you zoom all the way in you can

1223
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,560
snap pictures

1224
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,400
and you can put them post them right up

1225
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,599
on the computer

1226
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,680
and that's that's one of my favorite

1227
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,960
tools but um

1228
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,880
yeah i got like all kinds of different

1229
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,160
cameras and setups

1230
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:30,400
um i'm still building my arsenal but

1231
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,200
sure

1232
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:33,359
yeah well that's what i don't know too

1233
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,319
so that's part of it

1234
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,119
it comes out of my own pocket so yeah

1235
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:38,560
it's not cheap either

1236
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,000
yeah no um we have something from scott

1237
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,760
brown he said he left mufon years ago

1238
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:46,000
because of stonewalling maybe jesse can

1239
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,640
help me

1240
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:49,040
get info from one of the cases

1241
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,109
do you have access to all that stuff i

1242
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:56,880
have i have access to all the cases

1243
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,760
if you need it but i don't know about

1244
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,200
sharing it and how that goes i know it's

1245
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,720
a real private thing you're not allowed

1246
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,560
to share information not even emails of

1247
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,920
other investigators unless you're

1248
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,000
involved to move on unfortunately but

1249
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:11,119
sure yeah if i can help in any way i i'm

1250
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,160
more than happy to help

1251
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:14,160
but yeah there's only so much i can do

1252
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,280
and i don't want to get in trouble

1253
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,520
you know hey you're a volunteer you

1254
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:18,720
wouldn't lose any money

1255
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:22,480
no i'm just kidding um

1256
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,790
do you think well give me your thoughts

1257
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,440
on uh i guess disclosure and where we're

1258
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,359
at in the process and

1259
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:35,760
what do you see happening in the next

1260
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,559
six to 12 months

1261
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:41,520
so i don't think disclosure is any one

1262
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:41,839
thing

1263
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,119
believes it's a process

1264
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,920
and that's how i believe it too um the

1265
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,400
start of this ufo report

1266
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,839
like i already stated all the people

1267
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:53,359
coming out of the woodwork now we have

1268
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,000
that

1269
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,760
um i do believe there will be some type

1270
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,520
of hearing coming out

1271
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,839
and if everybody noticed on the ufo

1272
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,400
report it did say preliminary

1273
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:05,040
assessment which means that is the first

1274
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,440
one

1275
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,119
that's coming out so there will be more

1276
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,480
of those

1277
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,599
um i would just wish they would

1278
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,839
give some more on more classified

1279
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:15,280
information out or at least start

1280
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,559
working with nasa like

1281
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,359
like these people want because i think

1282
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,720
the scientific part

1283
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,559
is something that's highly needed you

1284
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:24,480
got people like neil degrassi who is

1285
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,280
just

1286
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,359
on everybody's nerves right now talking

1287
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:28,480
a bunch of trash

1288
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,480
yeah but um that's always gonna happen

1289
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,599
yeah until you know

1290
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,440
but he has he's like got like three

1291
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,800
million followers that people are going

1292
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,680
to listen to

1293
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,880
you know i mean there's nothing we can

1294
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,430
but i try to stay positive with

1295
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,880
everything and um

1296
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,599
yeah i i hope that i hope we get more

1297
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,440
information that does come out

1298
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,280
i mean if you did notice we did get

1299
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,200
information in that report though too

1300
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,920
that the united states government has

1301
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,559
more than

1302
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,760
not just witnesses uh testimony and

1303
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:03,760
evidence but they have radar

1304
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:06,960
weapon sensor right um they have a

1305
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,240
gun for gun camera footage um

1306
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,920
not just one radar but multiple

1307
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,920
different radar systems

1308
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:16,240
so they have the evidence you know what

1309
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,119
i mean they just

1310
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,800
are choosing not to share it with us

1311
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:21,280
yeah you know

1312
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,800
well um you know it's

1313
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,880
you think of what the scenario could be

1314
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,559
like what's the worst case scenario of

1315
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,640
what a picture would do if they should

1316
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:33,200
you know i see it why they can't share

1317
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,839
it

1318
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,240
like what does that have to be even if

1319
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,079
it's uh

1320
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,400
you know the the more real it looks but

1321
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,599
also crazy

1322
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,200
i think people are just gonna think it's

1323
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,640
fake anyways

1324
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,559
yeah because it's been it's been done

1325
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,559
like that for so long

1326
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,480
you know because this is going to be cgi

1327
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:52,720
how do i know that's that's easy

1328
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,079
yeah you know and then you got dr greer

1329
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,400
with his new cosmic hoax shove

1330
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,359
uh movie and um he's putting it in

1331
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,119
people's heads now that it's a lot of

1332
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,040
our own aircraft which

1333
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,800
i believe some of it is yeah um

1334
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,800
but he's trying to say that most of it

1335
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,079
is our stuff

1336
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,680
um yeah which i don't know if we

1337
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,119
actually have the answers to that

1338
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,119
what does that mean most of it like does

1339
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:18,800
it mean nine ten of them

1340
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,520
out of 25 of them what's the percentage

1341
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:23,359
did you get that off a document

1342
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:27,599
like he's just gone most of them

1343
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:30,640
right okay how how do you know that

1344
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,079
yeah you know absolutely but

1345
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,559
and then i was listening last night um

1346
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:39,200
got tom carry and don schmidt on uh

1347
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,559
universal secrets um they were talking

1348
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,319
about how stephen greer

1349
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,920
you know they feel like he really fell

1350
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,480
off the wagon on what he was

1351
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,240
the direction he was going in was such a

1352
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,839
good direction when holding the

1353
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,280
national press clubs and getting

1354
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:56,640
everybody together and working as a team

1355
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,240
and fighting for disclosure with these

1356
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,000
with the people that came like the

1357
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:04,079
senators and the representatives that

1358
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,359
were there listening to them

1359
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:07,040
and he did it a second time and then he

1360
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,400
kind of just

1361
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,480
went his own way and now it's all the

1362
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,800
way he thinks it is and that's that yeah

1363
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,359
um i'm all about networking with people

1364
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,040
and i feel like

1365
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,559
there's that big thing on twitter too

1366
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,400
everyone thinks uh it's

1367
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,119
interdimensional or it's either et's

1368
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,400
from different planets

1369
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,240
why can't it be both right we're

1370
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,400
open-minded enough to believe in our

1371
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,800
phenomenon but we can't we can't be open

1372
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,760
enough to

1373
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,680
it could be anything all doors you know

1374
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,520
what i mean right and how would you even

1375
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:37,200
know if one's true over the other at

1376
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,920
this point

1377
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,559
exactly too soon which way to even say

1378
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,640
that and commit to it is ridiculous in

1379
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,440
itself

1380
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,040
right we need to make sure that

1381
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,720
everybody knows they're real first

1382
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:48,480
before we can dive into

1383
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,920
what where they are where they're coming

1384
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:51,599
from you know totally yeah

1385
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,200
so you have to find out more absolutely

1386
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,920
i think where a lot of the problem kind

1387
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,640
of comes in

1388
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,680
is i think people

1389
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:04,880
some people use this kind of stuff as

1390
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,400
a crutch to kind of make things more

1391
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,119
interesting than they possibly are

1392
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,400
you know absolutely and they fabricate

1393
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,599
and stick to um their

1394
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:20,240
theories as because it kind of becomes

1395
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,119
something to

1396
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,400
defend and believe in right and live for

1397
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,160
more than it is something that's real

1398
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,280
that they

1399
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,559
think you know absolutely so

1400
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:33,680
but if just realize you can do that same

1401
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,240
thing

1402
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,400
by just being in the community asking

1403
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,319
for more information with everyone else

1404
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,520
right right yeah and that's the thing

1405
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:43,680
like i'm open-minded and i'll listen to

1406
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,559
anybody

1407
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:47,680
an encounter if you want to share

1408
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,640
something with me

1409
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,119
i'm i'm happy to listen all over my ears

1410
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,680
no problem i'm open-minded to everything

1411
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,280
and i'm not going to judge you you know

1412
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,720
what i mean and i think that's how more

1413
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,119
people need to start to be in this field

1414
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,599
because they're set on one thing but yet

1415
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:03,200
they're judging another person on what

1416
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:04,400
you're doing over here

1417
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:08,079
yeah and i just i try to be as positive

1418
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:08,960
as possible

1419
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,079
and you know i hate

1420
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,640
when i do this but he is the one that

1421
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,720
said it so what am i going to do

1422
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,599
mick west has said you can't be an

1423
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,880
expert at the unknown

1424
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,680
you know right and that's actually a

1425
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,400
good quote

1426
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,440
it is no one is an expert on ufos really

1427
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,520
yeah no one knows all no one has all the

1428
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,640
answers

1429
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:33,280
you know we try we can we can do the the

1430
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,160
work and

1431
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,240
and the research and try to have the

1432
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,920
best answers possible but

1433
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,480
yeah no one has all the answers and even

1434
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:42,319
if you do think you have all the answers

1435
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,200
that's fine

1436
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,960
you but just don't tell people just know

1437
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,720
you have the answers and guide them to

1438
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:48,160
what you think is right

1439
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,370
right

1440
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,079
[Laughter]

1441
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,680
just remember every time you point one

1442
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:55,119
finger at someone you got how many

1443
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:55,839
pointing back

1444
00:54:03,589 --> 00:53:59,200
yeah three unless you got a curved thumb

1445
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:08,870
well cool yeah

1446
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:15,190
uh uh-oh am i by myself

1447
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,630
what happened

1448
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:25,109
oh no i think i'm the only one left

1449
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:40,069
oh man what do i do here

1450
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:44,950
oh man

1451
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:47,109
let's find out what's going on here

1452
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:48,480
sorry everybody

1453
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:04,829
can you hear me sean

1454
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:06,950
sean

1455
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:18,829
i'll tell you what i'm gonna back out i

1456
00:55:18,839 --> 00:58:43,990
guess

1457
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:46,230
hey i don't know i don't know if you can

1458
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:47,599
hear me sorry about that

1459
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,040
um my internet just went down so

1460
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:53,280
i have to like reboot stuff and

1461
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,240
everything

1462
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,520
um so i'm just gonna have to call it but

1463
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,720
jesse will bring you back on and we'll

1464
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:01,440
do

1465
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,160
yeah sorry about that man we'll get it

1466
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,839
fixed sorry guys

1467
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,319
i'll get my internet fixed i have to

1468
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:12,160
reset the router

1469
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,520
so dumb but yeah thanks for hanging in

1470
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:16,480
there

1471
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,240
um and jesse thank you for everything

1472
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,720
and we'll um bring it back and do it